Testing Dad’s Y-DNA In Search Of My Hibbitt Roots

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In search of Hibbitt DNA, a Y37 Y-DNA kit for my dad is on order from FamilyTreeDNA in the hope we may be able to learn a little more about our direct paternal ancestry. This would be our Hibbitt line where our earliest known ancestor is John Hybit who married three times in Exton, Rutland, between 1712 and 1732.

Only men can take the Y-DNA test as women don’t possess a Y chromosome. The aim is to see whether my dad’s DNA matches anyone else with a similar surname, or if not, then perhaps find a pointer to see where to look if a different surname pops up frequently with any other men who have tested.

The Y37 test looks for STR markers which change slowly from one generation to the next. This means if dad has a match, they could end up being related within or outside the genealogical time frame where records can assist in the research. Let’s hope he gets a close match!

If you are male and have, or you know any men with, the following surnames it would be great if you/they could also take the Y-DNA test at FamilyTreeDNA and then join the Hibbert DNA Project [the project currently needs an administrator as at June 2025] to find out whether we have a common ancestor:

Hibbert
Hibbart
Hebert
Hibberd
Ibbert
Hibbit
Hibbitt
Hibbet
Hibbett
Hybit
Hybut
Ibbot
Ibbott
Abbot
Abbott

[For more on this, please see the updated information below.]

The Y37 test also provides an estimated Y-DNA haplogroup which indicates where a person’s deep paternal ancestry may have originated. I have already calculated dad’s Y-DNA haplogroup using his autosomal DNA test from AncestryDNA (this offers a basic haplogroup as the AncestryDNA kit is an autosomal test rather than a dedicated Y-DNA test) so it will be interesting to note whether the FamilyTreeDNA Y37 test confirms this.

Dad’s calculated haplogroup is S190 which points to an ancestor who probably lived in Scotland somewhere near Stirling about 1800 years ago. In order to fine-tune dad’s membership of the Little Scottish Cluster, as it is known, we have ordered a specific Y-SNP test which other men in this group have tested positive for. We now wait with bated breath.

Thanks dad, for being a great sport.

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[Update June 2017: Since my original blog post, Dad’s SNP test confirmed his subclade as CTS2187/S190. He then undertook the Big Y test and his terminal SNP has now been refined to R-Z36747.]

[Update June 2025: After ascertaining DNA results from other men with similar surnames, it turns out that we are not Hibbitts further back than a few generations – you can read about my discovery here. Dad’s haplogroup has been further refined and is now R-Y85420. He still does not have any close Y-DNA matches to help us solve the mystery of what our surname might be.

As for men who truly are descendants of the Hibbitt/Hibbit/Hibbet/Hibbett etc. clan, it seems there may well be a connection to those called Hibbert after all. See more at my blog post here.]

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Tracing My Forbears In North Devon

Barnstaple, North Devon

Barnstaple, North Devon

Our son has recently relocated to Barnstaple in North Devon and so I decided to see how close I could come to finding forbears who lived near there. I knew I had ancestors from North Devon and so I made a start by looking into my 5 x great-grandparents, James Alford (abt. 1772-1847) and his wife, Catherine Bellew (abt 1785-).

When the couple married, James was resident in Bideford and Catherine in nearby Westleigh, the latter being situated some 6.5 miles south-west of Barnstaple town centre.

James initially worked on the land as a husbandman in Great Torrington but by 1841, at the age of almost 70, he was described as a toll collector located at Chapelton Gate, Tawstock, about 6 miles south of Barnstaple.

After James’ death in 1847, Catherine continued as a toll collector at the Turnpike Gate at Ashreigney, a few miles south of Chapelton. She was still described as a turnpike gate keeper ten years later in 1861, although she was visiting one of her daughters in Bridgetown, Tawstock, on the day the census was taken. Catherine was approximately 76 years old and still working.

Map of North Devon

Map of North Devon

The Alfords came from High Bickington and before this, in the early 18th century, from Roborough by Torrington. I am familiar with a Roborough in the north of Plymouth and, at the back of my mind I seemed to recall there was another Roborough in Devon. What I didn’t know was that there is a third Roborough, an area very near to Barnstaple itself.

Ancestors of James Alford

Ancestors of James Alford (click to enlarge)

My 8 x great-grandparents, Lewis Alford and Mary Beale, married in Roborough by Torrington (14 miles due south of Barnstaple) in 1704 and their son, also called Lewis, married a Mary Alford and so Mary didn’t need to change her name after she’d wed. This couple had ten children, one of whom was called George, a yeoman born in 1747, who married Margaret Hern/Hearn. These were my 6 x great-grandparents and they are buried at High Bickington, about 4 miles north-east of Roborough.

Margaret’s parents were John Hearn and Frances Newcombe who were both from High Bickington. Four years after John’s death, Frances remarried, this time to a John Richards. John Hearn’s parents were Robert Hearn and Margaret Edworthy who married in High Bickington in 1714 and Frances was the daughter of William Newcomb and Joan Crocker.

Ancestors of Catherine Bellew

Ancestors of Catherine Bellew (click to enlarge)

Catherine Bellew’s forbears all came from Yarnscombe which lies approximately 8 miles south of Barnstaple. Her parents, William Bellew and Catherine Paddon, were born in about 1750 and 1752 respectively. Catherine Paddon’s parents were Peter Paddon and Sara Isaac who married in Yarnscombe in 1748.

Back to my 6 x great-grandfather, William Bellew, his parents were Henry Bellew and Mary Furseman. Henry was born in Yarnscombe in about 1719, the first of seven children belonging to William Bellew and Elizabeth Milton. This William Bellew was born in the 17th century, the son of my 9 x great-grandparents, Laurence Bellew and Mary Mogridg who married in 1682. Laurence was a yeoman when he died in 1713, having left a will, an abstract of which has apparently survived. I have yet to discover the contents of this document.

Finally, I have the name of my 10 x great-grandfather, William Mogridg, but nothing more is known about him.

None of these ancestors made it all the way to Barnstaple but James Alford and Catherine Bellew did in fact come very close.

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My Granny Geake Would Have Been 100 Today

Phyllis Grace Geake, nee Weaver, on her 80th Birthday

Phyllis Grace Geake, nee Weaver, on her 80th Birthday

18TH SEPTEMBER

What a celebration we would have had if my Granny (Phyllis Grace Geake, nee Weaver) was still with us as she would have been 100 years old today. This is a photo of her celebrating her 80th birthday. Cheers Gran and thanks for the memories!

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100 Years But Not Forgotten

Henry James Weaver

Henry James Weaver R.I.P.

8TH SEPTEMBER

I can’t let today pass without marking the centenary of the death of my great-grandfather, Henry James Weaver (Harry). I’ve blogged a number of times before about how he was accidentally killed when a bomb (hand grenade) prematurely detonated during training back at the base after serving in the trenches in WW1. Therefore, today I thought it would be fitting to simply post a photograph of my Granny Geake’s father, whose presence in her life she dearly missed.

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Remembering My Hilarious Granny On Her Birthday

My Granny Hibbitt: Ivy Alice Hibbitt, nee Dando

My Granny Hibbitt: Ivy Alice Hibbitt, nee Dando

1ST SEPTEMBER

My Granny Hibbitt (Ivy Alice Hibbitt, nee Dando) was born on 1st September 1904 above a sweet and tobacconist shop called the Golden Butterfly in Saffron Walden in Essex.

After moving to Plymouth with her family, she attended Gunnerside School for Girls situated in North Road East in Plymouth. In 1920 she joined the Post Office working as a telephone operator and married my Grandpa in 1931, having previously been engaged to three other men. Way to go, Granny! She later worked in Bond, Pearce, Eliott & Knape Solicitors in Plymouth until she retired from there in 1961.

Much of Granny and Grandpa’s early married life was spent in Tavistock where they rented a bungalow which they named Walden after Granny’s birth place. They retired to the village of East Allington in the South Hams and Gran took a job in a bookmakers in the nearby town of Kingsbridge. She also worked in the village Post Office for a time. I can remember many happy visits to their house, days spent on Grandpa’s little boat on the Kingsbridge/Salcombe estuary, kicking a football in the farmer’s field at the bottom of the garden and walks down by the local stream where there was an abundance of bluebells.

Granny had a funny turn of phrase. She was well-spoken but would mess around with words too, sometimes pretending to be posh (with huge tongue in cheek) and then using poor grammar on purpose just because she liked the sound of it, I guess. Here’s an excerpt of a letter she wrote to my dad in 1950 when dad was presumably away on a course…

“…We are very glad you are coming back and your honourable Father will meet you at North Road Station whence you will proceed to the offices of the most important and highly respected solicitors in the West of England and pick up your most esteemed Mother. Thence to your country home in the wilds of Dartmoor.”

She goes on…

“I am of a most desolate miserable disconsolateness about my Peter Lansdale wot only got 8 points. I had set my heart on him winning it, the poor darling. I expect some beastly, dirty, filthy, lousy, swinish, form of human life in the shape of another speedway rider put his elbows out and pushed my Pete…”

She did make me laugh a lot, did Gran.

After Grandpa died in 1972, Granny stayed on in their cottage until her final year in 1992 when she moved to Plymouth shortly before she passed away.

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